GIP! and gripe

[lagilman]

Lookit the icon! Is it not so lovely, so perfect, so very very true?

shadesong made it, and graciously lent it to me, even though I'm not-quite-as-short as she.

As to the gripe -- I have been part of a... discussion of sorts in Another Forum, over the behavior of a third person who decided that "private forum" meant that he could take comments made in same forum and quote them out of context in his own public forum, without permission.

There has been a lot of irritation about this, and calls for various forms of censure and reprimand, some logical, some way out of proportion to the infraction (IMO).

However, Person C claimed that we were wrong to be upset over such behavior by Third Person. When pressed, Person C clarified his position as (paraphrased): "anyone can hack into forums, anyone can screw up security coding, why do you think there's any privacy at all on-line?"

Ah.....

We were discussing bread. Person C was talking about flour. Person C seemed to think that flour=bread, ignoring the intent (and other ingredients) needed to turn flour into bread.

*shakes head*

I'm far more annoyed with Person C, who is letting his dogma rule his thinking, than Third Person, who is merely a selfish little shit and won't ever see the karma until it runs him over.

But I suppose I should thank Person C, as I was in a crappy mood going into this morning, for various unrelated reasons having to do with people not currently within reach, and this gave me the opportunity to get my bitch out in a good cause....

Comments

[matociquala.livejournal.com]

Best icon ever.

[chaoticgoodnik.livejournal.com]

Anyone can wave a gun around, any bank can get careless with its security measures, what makes you think they're a safe place to put your money?

Apparently Person C thinks this means robbing banks is a perfectly valid action.

[jhetley.livejournal.com]

>even though I'm not-quite-as-short as she.

This is important. Wife has expressed high grattitude to the woman who is marrying one of her cousins, as said woman makes Wife feel tall....

As for Person C, I've been watching that discussion but not commenting, except to thank Person J for exemplary public service. _However_, I do agree with C on one point -- we may be expecting more privacy in that venue than we actually have.

[skidspoppe.livejournal.com]

The reason you lock your door is to prevent the random criminal from breaking in. the professional can get through whatever system you have.

Person C is an idiot. It's much more about the intent of the Third Person than the security system itself.

Sometimes I wonder how we ever crawled out of the mud...



And yeah, the new icon is great!!!

[debg.livejournal.com]

Heh. I came home last night and found my own treehouse being used as a safe place to seethe over a recurring asshat being more than his usual level of asshat in a totally different forum.

Here, have a cluestick. Or you can borrow my icon; it's the actual crossbow I own.

[lagilman]

we may be expecting more privacy in that venue than we actually have.

oh, sure. But does that mean we should not punish those who break the rules they willingly accepted?


(Person C would probably say yes -- Person C has rather different sociological views than I do)

[jonquil.livejournal.com]

In the immortal phrase, "Front-door locks are to keep honest people honest."

[jhetley.livejournal.com]

>But does that mean we should not punish those
>who break the rules they willingly accepted?

By no means.

But even within the "rules" of that place, I've been reminded (yet again) to watch my words. On the late Con unpleasantness, I posted a matter of verifiable fact (about legal definitions) and got swatted by a couple of people who could have a negative effect on my so-called career.

[barbara-ferrenz.livejournal.com]

I'm not 100% sure of the context but it appears to be a violation of online etiquette. For some, the word "etiquette" evokes images of prissy ladies drinking tea. I have always seen it as the glue that holds civilization together. Laws and policies lay a general groundwork for society but etiquette manages the daily face-to-face interactions and keeps us from tearing each other's throats out.

[windrose.livejournal.com]

LOVE the icon.

You're not the first to have had this sort of privacy problem. Same thing happened to a good friend of mine who vented in a locked post, then had someone who disagreed with her opinion talk about it in an open post on her own journal, complete with naming names. Got very messy, and the person who "went public" really didn't seem to understand (or care) that what she'd done was a violation of both trust and privacy, and extremely uncool. This is why I am very, very picky about who sees which of my locked posts and employ a lot of filters.

[badgermirlacca.livejournal.com]

It's absolutely true that in the long run, anything anyone posts anywhere online is vulnerable, and there is no guarantee of privacy.

There is, however, a legitimate expectation of privacy, created through the rules of a forum and the behavior of civilized individuals, and those who violate that expectation have proven themselves outside the bounds of civilized behavior.

[lagilman]

Bah. Those people should look more toward their own so-called careers... If they're the people I'm thinking of...)

[lagilman]

well, in this case the Third Person was going directly and knowingly against the stated rules and regs of the forum, and when called on it basically said "sez you." So it was a breah of both policy and> netiquette.

[lagilman]

'zactly. And saying "well, what did you expect" in a road-weary manner has always struck me as the most useless of all possible reactions....

(saying it while you reach for the clue x four, however, is a realistic and approved reaction, IMO...)

[jhetley.livejournal.com]

Still and all, at least one of the persons has mentioned that the discourse has affected sie's willingness to consider work from certain quarters.

A chilling effect on debate, I think it's called.

I don't know if you, as an editor, realize how much lower-caste writers such as myself _fear_ editors...

[lagilman]

That...Person is one of those who should be looking to sie's own career.

And any editor who chooses not to work with a writer not because of creative differences but personal disagreements is an editor who is cutting the throat of sie's own publication/imprint/career. IMO, and as proven by history.

[arouraleona.livejournal.com]

Dearheart, this post needs a Figure 4.6 illustration or table, its perfect for my so's business communication and law textbook... not that its BUSINESS business but it has the same feel to it.

And short people secretly rule the world we just don't let those taller folks in on that little fact... rassa-frassen tall people

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, dear. I don't know the forum or the participants offhand from the description given, though I can guess the topic of discusssion.

But what you describe is why I'm circumspect by reflex on line. There are too many people who don't appear to understand what DNQ means, or why it should apply to them. It's also another reason why I've been reluctant to open an LJ account, too many other things to do not withstanding.

I had a go around with an old friend years back, who was writing about some misadventures of his that happened to also involve me and the woman I was seeing at the time. When I came down on him, the response was "It's my life and I can talk about it if I want to!", to which my response was "It is and you can. What you can't do is explicitly indentify me and my SO by name when you do so, unless we expressly permit it. You could leave our actual names out of it, and your piece would still have the same effect." He's one of those folks who cheerfully admits to everything he does, regardless of what others might think of it, and doesn't understand why others don't do likewise, so I'm not sure he ever really understood why I was upset. But he acceded to my wishes, so I settled.

Meanwhile, there are some things I'd be reluctant to say even in locked forums, precisely because some folks don't get the concept. I'd be tempted to email Person C, quoting something particularly juicy and private from thier private area if I had such, and say "So you won't mind if I post the following and comment on it in my public area, given your stated viewpoints?" The response might be amusing.
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Dennis